Episode 122: Big 12 Conference Preview

[00:00:28] Welcome back to the In The Flat Podcast. It feels like it's been years, this we last talked to you guys, but it's just been an offseason

[00:00:35] So we're back. College football is back. I think a lot of a lot of teams are starting their fall practice now to get ready for the season with the kickoff coming in a matter of a few weeks here

[00:00:44] So we're excited to get going here. You know, in the past we went for a pretty furrow conference preview. We're gonna kind of adjust that a little bit

[00:00:52] For next couple weeks we're gonna preview each of the each of the conferences and answer some major questions for each of those conferences. So which teams do we like?

[00:00:58] Which teams are we worried about which players we're looking for? There's a lot of changes also with the conferences, so which new teams or we're seeing coming into somebody's conferences and maybe taking an over or falling back.

[00:01:10] So we want to double two a lot of those questions with you over these next couple weeks today. We're gonna focus on the big 12 conference Which is totally different now for Oklahoma and Texas gone. So that's gonna be interesting to really dive into that

[00:01:22] But first we have a talks in a while, so we figured we had a couple relevant news articles that I am seeing out there and team seen out there

[00:01:29] So what start with Michigan? I think we ended our last podcast talking about Michigan went in national title and now we're talking about You know potentially some you know, infractions coming down a Michigan. It's all over re Internet doesn't mean it's happening

[00:01:42] But what are smokers usually fire? I've seen everything from they're gonna be fondness here But the next couple years there's gonna be some postseason bands But they're also saying that well, we can't stop them from being in the playoff

[00:01:53] And we will have postings of bands alike. The championship games and things of that nature So I'm interested to see where this all goes out there is nothing official. It's been released it Nothing official has been released saying it's not true either

[00:02:05] So I'm sure we'll hear about something next couple weeks But I wanted to ask the group here. What do we fix it happen? I honestly think teams have been hurt for a lot less

[00:02:14] And I feel like you know, this is a pretty major cheating allegations that lasted for a couple years So we'll start with you Jordan there are you know Michigan person who probably and a lot of people probably don't want anything to happen

[00:02:28] Let it go we want our title let's move on But what do you fix should happen here? Obviously the cheat happened we know that there were suspense in sort of code

[00:02:36] So what do you fix should happen here going forward? Just like the certain things that are like vacating wins Their national championship big 10 like you said Tony, I don't think they fancy LA does something the college will play off its own entity

[00:02:49] So they can't really say anything about the postseason that way But I definitely see them vacating wins and national championship big 10 stuff Just because it is a big allegation It must probably happen We don't know 100% at least we don't as fans but I wouldn't be surprised instantly

[00:03:11] Lovely knows probably a lot more But vacating wins vacating big 10 championships vacating national championship is where I think's going to happen I don't know about the finding part just because

[00:03:24] It's a feel bad for that program in the sense that the head coach that was the part of the program is gone So now they're going to get suspensions and all this stuff that's going to hurt these kids College careers and everything

[00:03:40] If it was still horrible there all 100% you have but Where we're right now I feel like vacating the wins vacating all the other stuff It's going to be the best bet in the sense of for the kids, for the players on that team

[00:03:56] That this not getting the postseason is going to be life or death going into the draft And everything like that so just vacating those wins is where I see it going So if they vacate the wins that means you think they vacate the national championship

[00:04:12] Last year then is that what you would think would happen? I would think would happen but because like we said it like call the whole playoffs its own entity It would have that can't really I don't think that national championship can be vacated

[00:04:25] Yeah, I mean I don't think they should have been eligible last year But they were and they wanted so I'm thinking back to the other day when they had the cheating scandal of this like two to help in the players

[00:04:36] They had to vacate a bunch of wins and so I think it's the whole season So I think that's the least that Michigan should do here is vacate wins

[00:04:43] And if you're a point I hate that they have to hurt the team as far as the postseason ban or anything like that But I mean it's got to be at some type of president said here like hey, you can't do this

[00:04:54] If anybody else does this this is what's going to happen So I don't want to give them the death penalty or anything like that because your point the majority of the coaches that were there

[00:05:03] Outside of a couple are gone so I do feel like you need to set a tone here This is not acceptable anything from your ingest anything that they're there Yeah, so sports illustrated release day very short article kind of updating the situation two hours ago

[00:05:19] It runs like from with inside the Michigan building there is no Anxiety there's zero concern that this is going to be any postseason or bull ban handed down Because the NCAA is struggling to find a directly between

[00:05:38] Staling operation in the Michigan football program. It's this whole thing and they're saying that I guess they are not finding any kind of violation on Michigan's end

[00:05:48] As I guess an institution as a team so it sounds like maybe Michigan gets off Scott free but as of right now It seems like the NCAA is trying to find that link but currently they got nothing it sounds like so they're terrible

[00:06:06] Just this there you see it. They're just going to let them get away if it edits I mean, I don't know if it's Michigan in general, but if you cheat like this you should be held accountable for it

[00:06:15] And I just think it's a shame as they get away with it get a national title and it's move on Nothing happens to the program, but we'll see a minute before the court here real quick started in Traputoni

[00:06:27] There have been zero level one charges found regarding the University of Michigan during the NCAA's investigation Staling in sessions are perfected to result in either a level one or level three violation depending on the interpretation of the NCAA rules

[00:06:43] So so we'll see I guess what like said we'll bring it up to you here next couple weeks I imagine this stuff that should happen before the season because I don't think they want to try to deal with this during the season

[00:06:53] Especially if there's going to be any type of a doubt there will be any postseason men this year But there was I mean, they need to implement it pretty soon and then give the players option to leave the program with they if they want to opportunity

[00:07:04] So I think that's usually the rule that you have opportunity to leave and stuff like that happens All right

[00:07:09] One of our quick article or note that I saw out there obviously the ruling I think was a couple months maybe a few weeks ago that they're now moving officially from 85 to 105 scholarships Which in theory sounds really good

[00:07:22] More players get opportunity to be on a team and scholarship would for that part it is good But I think I want to get your guys opinion on is there's some There's some definitely some ripple effects here from this from this change where you may for those programs

[00:07:36] They really depend on a walk on a program that walk on program basically is going away in favor of this And I know some programs have like 140 players on their on their team with a bunch being if you're looking at like 50 or so or being walk on

[00:07:48] So what will that do to those type of programs? I see the the bigger programs thinking about the M.O.S. state's short. They're probably going to use this to their advantage to add more high-end talent or transfers

[00:07:59] Even though they don't really need it, they can add them just to fill up their roster But how do we think this will impact college football if and all so I think it is going to allow

[00:08:09] There's going to be even more of a shift for the top schools I mean how many of the they got 50 what is that 20 more 85 to 105 So that's like 20 more scholarships to throw at these top high school athletes

[00:08:24] But I think kind of the saddest part of it is that we're how many more stats and benets stories How many more jj watts? How many hunter renfros? Austin Davis these famous famous walk on stories the zero to euro types

[00:08:41] If it's essentially going to all these extra roster spots are going to be taken up by another Ohio State bench scholarship guy somewhere How many how many opportunities are there going to be?

[00:08:55] I mean all in all I don't see it really affecting the overall landscape of college football Maybe like I said some of these top guys are going to get a scholarship from Ohio State

[00:09:10] That wasn't there before and choose to go there instead of a I know like a Missouri or Auburn or something like that but I think the big thing is just going to be like

[00:09:22] We're not going to get any or we're not going to get as many of those great zero to hear a story Yeah, I guess I can see that I wonder if those zero to heroes will now be a scholarship player

[00:09:31] Like if you're a team like see his Clemson they don't they don't believe in the transfer for all right So would they still sign but making a scholarship player instead maybe he gets to be a scholarship player

[00:09:44] It may this change the narrative a bit but maybe they still happens but No exactly how that will impact that anything to add here during it. No, I feel like it's not going to affect

[00:09:54] Two months I feel like that's a lot that's a lot more scholarships teams have And these players that were zero to heroes They can fill those spots that's 20 more players How many walk-ins walk-ins really make the team so I feel like it's not going to change too much

[00:10:11] I feel like it's going to make it easier for players to get somewhere We're going to see a lot more players you look at and be like why aren't they in a team a good team

[00:10:22] Well now they're going to be Ohio State Notre Dame Alabama Georgia kind of that's my take on that one Okay, good some of the monitor just to see over next couple years how to impact teams

[00:10:34] I do wonder like from a player perspective what I want to be the hundred and fifth Georgia player or what I want to go Be like the 80th player at somewhere else and get more playing time

[00:10:44] So that's going to be seven probably have to one monitor as well Like I don't know if they're going to be able to stack as much talent as we may be or thinking If there's more opportunities to get playing time right away

[00:10:53] So again something to monitor but I think different players get the scholarship right away for sure Alright, now it's the conference preview part of our podcast So we're going to start like I said with the big 12 podcast the big 12 conference preview

[00:11:09] And so obviously a lot of changes happen with the big 12 conference The new teams to the big 12 we have Utah Colorado Arizona State in Arizona the teams that left obviously

[00:11:19] Love the big void in Texas and Oklahoma so if you're kind of looking back you know recapping the season for these teams Yeah, there was it was kind of a mixed bag as far as records and who who did well last year and never expected conferences

[00:11:32] I'll go for some of the top teams from last year. You had Kansas State in 94 Arizona 10 and 3 Kansas 94 Utah up and down because of injuries And and cameras and being out and eight and five season West Virginia 94 Oklahoma State 10 and 4

[00:11:47] And then the rest were 500 or less right around that period and so you have like the TCU Zayu State Texas text US F's BYU's owner

[00:11:57] And at 577 677 6 range and then you go Colorado Cincinnati Houston State or all had not the greatest years last year all around that 4 and 8 3 and 9 type of

[00:12:08] That's kind of what we're looking at going into the season but my first question to you guys is how did it get? Who do we feel has the best chance right now

[00:12:17] Maybe in season one to do the best out of those four new teams of the conference Utah Arizona Colorado Arizona State so

[00:12:25] Past over you Jordan who'd you got who's the out of those four which team do you predict will have to have the best season out of 4 this one's pretty easy

[00:12:34] I feel like every other team that's had a lot of ups and downs but Utah always seems to be the team yeah cameraizing was out last year

[00:12:44] They still finish pretty well, but I feel like what cameras are coming back this year they won the PEC 12 two years in a row in the last six years

[00:12:54] They've been in the PEC 12 championship four times they have been a dominant team on in the PEC 12 offensively and defensively for the last several years

[00:13:03] And I think it's going to transition really well over to the big 12 because honestly those are the two conferences that are similar and a lot of aspects but I mean if Arizona didn't lose their head coach, I think Arizona would be right up there.

[00:13:19] So how they're quarterback there, right? So yeah, but you just the momentum switch to hold like you just lost your head coach

[00:13:26] They did keep a lot of their players, but now you're whole thing just that your head coach did a great job because had a great season he leaves and now you kind of have to rebuild that locker room

[00:13:37] That everything Colorado I mean I don't know that can there it's the same thing is last year they lost a lot of players they gained a lot of players nothing's really

[00:13:49] The the scales are the same nothing's really switched in Arizona state that's Arizona state. I don't tell you

[00:13:56] But yeah, I think Utah cameras and coming back they already dominated the PEC 12 last couple years. I think they're an dominate again in the big 12 and I think they're just going to continue getting better throughout the years.

[00:14:12] All right, just you have a different perspective or kind of aligned with that one. I'm thinking that of all the new teams. I'm going to go with Arizona. They've got for me it's the big thing about their veteran offense. They've got the returning quarterback in Fifida.

[00:14:29] I really help my pronounce his name correctly. They've got a strong wide receiver core starring a million who had a 1200 R at 10 touchdowns last year. He's six foot five

[00:14:40] His hands are ridiculous. Fifida was one of the best passers in all the college football last year. He had the third best pass rating just nine of his 297 pass attempts were great as turnover worthy according to PFF.

[00:14:58] They have four starters returning on the offensive line. So there's going to be that familiarity there and they got a transfer running back a Corey cross team merit again. Hope I'm saying that name correctly. It about 1200 yards 17 touchdowns last year.

[00:15:14] I think they're going to be able to hit the ground running. I mean, they were 10 and three last year and I don't see this being that much more difficult. If at all of a conference. I mean, we all know how good the pack 12 ironically was and what was essentially it's last season alive saved the best for last but I can't imagine it's going to be too much different from them. They're going to need to again showcase solid offensive on play.

[00:15:41] But with four starters returning, I mean, you win in the chances and trenches are one with familiarity. So I think I think looking at it. I think those are definitely obvious to I think some people think Colorado would be better this year.

[00:15:56] They may but they won't be at the top end. I don't think of this conference yet. And Arizona state is really still in a rebuild so I think because they got so far down. They have their picked up some backup. So I think there's still a couple years away from doing anything.

[00:16:10] Productive there. So I do fill a Utah Arizona or have both have opportunity. I think obviously, I think Utah is the better program Arizona is up to coming but you're a point to our enemy. They did lose her at coach. Well, the new head coach bring well that offense looked like with new head coach.

[00:16:25] So that's that's what we have to look for and see there. All right. So as you guys were talking a lot there about Utah and Arizona, I think those are definitely the two that you kind of stand out to me as well.

[00:16:38] And I think if you look at the odds that you see Kansas State is usually is the one I see most common is number one team you talk to Arizona three. So I think we're spot on it. Those probably the two that don't have the best chance.

[00:16:51] The wind the big 12 hours out of the gate and I think that should be some nice matchups there where Kansas State this year is looking forward to those.

[00:16:58] But now what's we want to teams left the big 12. So Oklahoma Texas are not gone but it leaves a kind of a hole there that teams have to step up and see if there's anybody that can take your place.

[00:17:09] So do you guys see anybody on this list of teams for the big 12 that will eventually step up and kind of own the conference as Oklahoma Texas did.

[00:17:17] If you do who those teams are who are those teams to you and if not, do you feel like more to be like more of a parody type league where there might be a different champion every single year for example. So what's started over with you Jordan.

[00:17:32] Now I think we're going to have teams that stay the top. I think this conference is probably the most at a top heavy. There's not a lot like if you are in the top five, you are far better than the bottom five or bottom whatever.

[00:17:53] For whatever reason, but I think like Utah they've already showed their dominance and consistency in the pack 12. I think it's in a transfers over to the big 12 Kansas State there are another team that has like been consistently good in the big 12.

[00:18:09] And I think that's going to continue Arizona. I think they're going to be able to build on that season from last year hopefully sooner than later, but I think it might not be this year. Just because of the head coaching switch.

[00:18:24] Hopefully next year I think they're going to continue to get better and I think Kansas if Kansas can stay where they are build their players up develop.

[00:18:34] They can be that team that is yeah there might be in the bottom half of the four or five teams, but there will still be out there. Competitive if players stay healthy they would have been competitive the last year as well, but.

[00:18:48] I think those four teams right there probably more Utah Kansas State I think those two teams are going to be the top dogs year after year.

[00:18:58] But honestly like I said the top five top four teams are it's going to be interchangeable going forward in the next five six seven years. But those bottom teams I don't think have have growing enough to be able to break into that. Okay, what do you think Jess?

[00:19:20] I don't think there's I don't think there's really going to be some kind of at least as far as we can see right now some perennial powerhouse that's just going to run the conference kind of the way everybody like how Alabama didn't the 2010s at the SEC.

[00:19:36] Like sure there were an LSU here and then eventually Georgia kind of ran it has run it a little bit, but like he always knew.

[00:19:46] Alabama was going to be up there and it was going to enter this season if not the favorite the second favorite I don't see that being the case.

[00:19:56] It doesn't seem like I mean for as good as teams like Oklahoma State or Kansas State or even Arizona Utah can be I don't think anyone would truly describe them as like powerhouse blue blood big brand like nothing that's truly going to allow for that year after year of sustained excellence that even Texas first big of a brand is they are like they had down years.

[00:20:22] But it's very rare that a Bama Georgia Ohio State kind of situation is established but. I mean for the next couple of years I think Kansas State's well set up I think Oklahoma State has some really nice pieces on offense they got some good line backers.

[00:20:38] As well that should help most of the run defense although they need to get better and the trenches on the defensive side but I mean for this year I think if it's not going to be one of those top favorites of Arizona or Utah or Kansas State I like Oklahoma State that's why brought them up.

[00:20:56] I think they have I think the best running back in the country outside of who's the guy in Boise State he did those are the two I think best running backs.

[00:21:05] They've got really good wide receivers they got good trench pieces if they can figure out the quarterback I think their offense will be absolutely fantastic and big 12 that's where it all goes to the offense so yeah if it's not one of those top dogs my money would be on Oklahoma State.

[00:21:21] All right I look at I I can see a little bit of parity happening so where I think Oklahoma Texas got the best recruits and so was very easy for them to own every single year.

[00:21:31] I think the one difference with all these teams I don't pick netty teams are like.

[00:21:36] I think it's going to be your top tier recruiting teams so like Kansas State is a good job in developing their players say those Utah so those areas don't you know they get a little more higher level player but they do develop it.

[00:21:48] Well, Oklahoma State's of all about developing Iowa states all about developing Kansas is all about developing and I think like you have those Texas tech Baylor Houston teams that can recruit in that Texas area and develop those low three stars was confirmed on to be four five star players on the road.

[00:22:03] So I think that will in itself be more of a parity where I would say every year every couple years you may have a different team kind of rise to the top because.

[00:22:11] The players they got in have been developing already take that step so they have maybe a chance every one every four to five years to jump in so I could see it be a little bit of parity.

[00:22:20] I'm always next few years. I am interested to see if Utah if their recruiting takes off if they start can winning the big 12 getting to the playoffs a little more easier so I could I could see maybe them pick it up the recruiting a bit.

[00:22:34] I think that's what I'm going to have probably recruited the best out of all these teams in the past but can they stay in this league. I want interested to see what Baylor or again two cent does with the Texas recruiting.

[00:22:45] Since it had a you know as has been a playoff in the past as well did they have the right coach a place to do that there's just a lot of answers I think over next few years that will give a little more clarity to as it goes along.

[00:22:57] All right, so what's talk about games we're looking forward to now obviously with a new conference Oklahoma Texas is out all these new teams are in. What's the order some of the games that you guys are looking forward to that you feel like.

[00:23:09] So if you could have a big impact on the conference or just something you're looking forward to in general so just what started over to you sir.

[00:23:16] Game the first pops out to me is that Oklahoma state at Kansas State on September 28 again going by the odds makers it seems like Kansas states the top dog but as I just said I'm I'm high on Oklahoma state this year I have been and they haven't necessarily I have been for a couple years now they haven't really let me down but they haven't really gone over the hump.

[00:23:38] But with no taxes, no Oklahoma and the conference now I think puts a little more wide open and I think that Oklahoma state has the has the talent to maybe push for the big 12 title and get themselves in the newly expanded college football playoff and.

[00:23:56] I think we're going to be a few weeks into the season there at that point so it's going to be I could be a real.

[00:24:03] This is what the seasons going to be kind of game like these are more of those teams is really in established themselves and I think that'll be I think that'll be a great game to watch.

[00:24:14] All right Jordan, who do you got on your on your radar there as far as a team a game you're really looking forward to. If those it's that two Arizona games I think those will be whoever.

[00:24:27] I think whoever wins those two games right there are going to be the two teams in the conference championship I think. But it's just going to Arizona has a tough.

[00:24:39] Tough games away Kansas State and Utah those games are going to be tough just because they're big school big games for both of them they are earlier in the season. By the sense.

[00:24:50] Yeah, I've noticed a lot of the good games for the conference is in the first like what three or four weeks. Yeah, that I mean. I'm just talking that's the Arizona and Utah on Oklahoma State Kansas State we five. Yeah, we three for Arizona as Kansas State so.

[00:25:09] But those those two games Arizona just kind of had to tough on there's a way games this year just with the Oklahoma State I quarterback that they're not going to win just because they can never figure out their quarterback.

[00:25:23] I think they're I think this is going to be their quarterbacks seven seasons, seven to eight year in college football because he's been injured he's been a backup he's done a lot of transferring.

[00:25:35] But when he completed 60% of his past is last year they were a no I think it was something it was like some crazy stat about that so if they can just get any kind of stability there here let me let me find where my notes it's. Alan Bowman.

[00:25:51] Is that a lot of your interceptions?

[00:25:54] Yeah, he has a he through 14 interceptions but it was the Cowboys were a no when the passing game hit 60% or better so if he just threw completes 60% he's got to get to that bar and they're good to go if they can't have the ball off to all the Gordon and they don't ask too much of the quarterback.

[00:26:15] They are good but he's he's been around the block as it was as it were it was let me see first he was a Texas tag backup at Michigan last year he finally got through season healthy.

[00:26:26] In his first season at Oklahoma State it was his seventh seat and in his first season at Oklahoma State it will be a seventh season as a college football quarterback. And goes hard but yes they just find that's the ability man.

[00:26:41] So where in all the games last year only five of them he didn't do interception. That's ungood. He has multiple games with two or more interceptions. Yeah, yeah, I mean, four games with two interceptions two or more interceptions one of the games was three interceptions.

[00:27:02] He's got to just got to focus more on all the Gordon that guy's a bit sour with you. You would think.

[00:27:12] Yeah, they did quite well when he was given the ball 20 or more times but yeah so I think that they're going to run the ball a bit through more through all the Gordon this year.

[00:27:22] I think they're going to have to and I think they know that but I mean that's that's why I've got all the Gordon as one of my top highsmen continues this year.

[00:27:30] But all good points I think the game I'm looking for too is that you to Oklahoma State game on the 21st I feel like very similar teams both old core backs. I guess each other. What's can't rise is like a six season is that right?

[00:27:45] Yeah, he isn't too odd. He's been there for years for a while for the second decade here. So yeah, so I'm interested at that they both I think I think Utah have a better defensive home estate.

[00:27:57] We'll see if their defense turns around in the second and the coordinator's second year. I think offensively probably has some similar stats this year obviously I think we'll probably be able to run the ball a little more because I've better running it back.

[00:28:08] But Utah has historically done well in that area. So I'm interested to see the contrast there it's at Oklahoma State so I'm interested to see how that goes. I think that can go a long way to deciding who wins the conference as well.

[00:28:20] So interested to see that one. All right, you mentioned it, Jess. So which players do you have on your highsmen list from the big 12? I think one of a lot of big 12.

[00:28:30] So when a lot of highsmen rankings come out a lot of it's from the big 10 or SEC, ACC. You don't see a lot from the big 12 outside of Hollywood. So I am as curious like, who do you guys have on your list?

[00:28:43] Who do you see kind of planter way into that? So we'll start you Jess. You kind of mentioned Gordon there is that your pick is at your guy to you think has a best chance to win the highs. But if anybody else you're watching.

[00:28:57] I mean for other aside from Molly Gordon who again, I've talked a bit about that link here.

[00:29:04] Other than him I would have to go with Jalen Daniels he was really good in their perfect start 5 and 0 last year there it's I mean it's night and day for Kansas when he plays and he doesn't play.

[00:29:20] And I think that if if healthy he might be one of the best quarterbacks not just in the big 12 but in the entire country sadly he can't quite stay healthy, but he's going to be kind of my.

[00:29:36] If healthy you might as well give him a shot. He's going to put up the numbers they're good team money plays and if he's able to get Kansas to that fringe conference title borderline college football playoff level.

[00:29:52] Maybe some of the voting will go a bit more in his favor and won't just go to generic SEC quarterback number 3. Jordan, who you got in your list? Who are you watching?

[00:30:02] I think I'm going to have a very Johnson. I think he had glimpses last year of like really great dual threat quarterback he develops this off season and comes in next year. He can put up the numbers with his arm if he gets more consistent.

[00:30:21] I think he only played five games last year didn't throw too much or was in five games last year didn't throw too much but he definitely can run with his legs in there.

[00:30:31] He can't even get the ball. The top third touch ball he can't seven carries for 71 yards so he can put up those rushing numbers and can get on the pocket I think he's developed a little more he can be that guy that puts Kansas state above everyone especially the big 12 but can easily weasel into the highs when talk early on in the season if you can just put up numbers with his legs and with his arm.

[00:30:56] You put stuff down in the notes about he can complete the ball pretty well and it didn't play too much last year but the glimpses you had he looked like he had a lot of raw talent. He kind of gives me vibes of like what they thought in Anthony Richardson into the draft for the NFL a lot of raw talent just not developed yet and I think that's a regent and luckily he's only a sophomore this year so hopefully they develop a little bit this off season.

[00:31:25] He can come in next year and just they're this coming year and put those numbers up so that's my pick. All right well you guys picked all the good ones so figured out.

[00:31:37] Hey that's what I do here so I've got a work for kind of a dark horse there I don't obviously I don't think he'll win the high as a benefit he could eventually make the list.

[00:31:46] We did talk a lot about West Virginia in general today but I do feel like they were sneaky good last year with out Oklahoma Texas having to play them they could be even better this year.

[00:31:57] So cool stat I came across is in the past 20 years West Virginia quarterbacks ever do it's a total QBR 75 or more seven times that was Pat White did it from 2005 to 2007.

[00:32:11] Geno Smith in 2012 will career in 2017 and 2018 and green last season so pretty good company because I think all those quarterbacks made to make the NFL a list or had a really spectacular college careers.

[00:32:24] I think people look at greens completion ratio which is 53% and they kind of back away from him but basically if you look at it virtually every completion through and that producing a successful play he made a lot of plays with his both his arms and his legs.

[00:32:40] I think he had almost no sex for the whole season which was at five only for four in our sections for the season only for one so I think he has a pretty interesting.

[00:32:49] Interesting quarterback and one I would keep my eye on it West Virginia has a successful season maybe they surprise folks win the big 12 I could see him getting his name in that list. All right so.

[00:33:01] We talked a lot about teams we like but which team maybe is that is not one of the favorites to win the conference are you looking forward to watching see how they do this year so Jordan will start you.

[00:33:13] I think that one team I'm looking forward to watching and for whatever reason they always seem to be a tough team to play as Texas tech no matter if they're home or away.

[00:33:23] They somehow seem to either pull up that upset that no and no one expected or the game is always close.

[00:33:31] Always competitive they seem like they never give up and they always somehow put a game in two touchdowns to a touchdown that's what they lose to by a team they should have lost to by 30 so that right now that's my dark horse to you not win the conference I think Texas tech is not 100% there there miss enough couple pieces but they have the chance to make the conference.

[00:33:59] A mess and can upset teams that you think should beat up. All right just so much you man who you got your eyes on us here outside the those top favorites.

[00:34:10] This is a team that I don't think is going to be anywhere near the top of the conference but if you listen to any real other college football podcast or media channel in any way they're.

[00:34:27] They're the talk of the town it's Colorado I really want to see if. How should or develops what it's Travis and are going to do I mean these are also going to be two big names come draft time you.

[00:34:39] Beyond they've had quite the interesting off season with all these comments that they're making about. Former teammates and even some possible current teammates with some of the stuff that's kind of been coming out about them and.

[00:34:52] Beyond Sanders is on gone on record saying that he refuses to let his son or Travis Hunter get drafted by other team I think it's just going to be another year of Colorado the.

[00:35:07] And through Tainman property rather than the football team that it's going to be like keeping up with the Kardashians you're going to get the comments you're going to get all of the off the field stuff and.

[00:35:19] I but the truth is should or is a good quarterback you show that particularly early on last year if they can fix up the offensive on I think this is a team that could.

[00:35:28] Be finding for bold positioning I don't think they're going to be terrible but if they can just get up to that 66 seven and five range which.

[00:35:36] I think they've got talent to do then maybe they'll be actually be able to back up a lot of the off season talk. Yep, no I was always a little bit interesting watch will see if they can make the most of that.

[00:35:49] The place where they're in see if they can actually do anything this year with a different competition. I guess the team I'm keeping my eyes on would be a central Florida.

[00:35:57] He looked last year there were only big 12 newcomer which I think they had for newcomers last year through each of bull game. I think it's pretty successful benchmark considering the the upgraded talent from the AC to the big 12.

[00:36:09] But then if you look at what they got they got quarterback KJ Jefferson coming from Arkansas transferring in to the beat into quarterback.

[00:36:17] You team him up with Gus Malzon it seems like a pretty good fit considering he's very similar maybe like a cam Newton not saying he's anywhere near talented as Cam Newton on the same they play very similar so.

[00:36:27] Maybe Gus Malzon get the most out of him like he did Cam Newton when Cam Newton was at Auburn.

[00:36:31] So I'm interested to see maybe what that offense looks like they also have a runny back RG hard hurry back rushing for 1416 yards and I think he has our opportunity to continue in continue running.

[00:36:46] It's a little bit of a struggle last year some interesting to see what they do with that this year.

[00:36:53] I think Malzon hired 10 roof who the coach the defense he helped them coach the 2010 Auburn defense on the national championship team or season not team so obviously it wouldn't but.

[00:37:05] I think they did want to I think that area so I think that I'm interested to see what they do and I put it to take it all the pieces together.

[00:37:11] I feel like this team has the most potential because if you look at recruiting there's a prize people everyone wants to love like a nice three four even close to five star player choosing to go there because of location.

[00:37:23] There's a lot of Florida players or south several players that decide to go there it's a nice campus nice area. I think that's now Zona's a good coach deck and develop you so I think you go see more more recruits going there some interested to see.

[00:37:35] How does your looks if they continue to develop it and get better I think that might be a team on the rise over the next few years. You've got about their national championship they won number one the one. I said 20 10 right. Yeah.

[00:37:48] Oh you mean you need a central for that was that was that was that for the year was that. Yeah, I think yeah I forgot such a for it is a pass now for a 100 folks so I mean 20 17 and I believe. I've been that long.

[00:38:04] No, really I feel really old now but the 21 17 you see I finished number one in the colleague matrix which is recognized by the NCA as a chance championship collector for the FPS level you see I've claimed that title. Yeah so it's been seven years. Wow.

[00:38:26] It doesn't feel like seven years as a fan of rockers and ECU if we had any claim to any kind of national. We're taking a lot of school okay. We will eventually. We don't have national champions like Central Florida.

[00:38:44] So that leaves us with my final question for you guys we talked a lot about the games the players. The Central matchups who we like short term long term but for this year.

[00:38:56] Who do you think who is your winner for the big 12 and do you feel like there's any chance of big 12 will get more than one player in the playoff so.

[00:39:04] So serve you just who's your winner and do you think there's more there's a chance for more to want to team and play off this year. So for as much as I was strong love.

[00:39:15] I'm going to say that the winner of the big 12 will be Arizona and I as for more than one team in the college football playoff I. I could see maybe I think we I wouldn't really want to go in and I'm going to.

[00:39:37] We're going to be making our predictions for the official playoff bracket later on down the line so I'm going to have more time to do this.

[00:39:45] But I mean if there are teams like in the big 10 I know Penn State gets to dodge I think a couple of the other top contenders and I think that'll really help them.

[00:39:56] In terms of record and finding their way into the playoff, even if they don't win the big 10 itself. But for teams like the big 12 if there's like I know we were talking about some of the big game Arizona's got a couple Oklahoma State's got a couple.

[00:40:14] And you know how many teams in the big 12 really can avoid that. So I could see potentially two or three teams making it because they're going to favor the power for has as he we had a try remember calling it I think they're really going to favor those conferences and there are 12 open spots.

[00:40:34] I don't see the big 12 being as much of a blood bath at some other comment like the SEC could be a blood bath in the middle so maybe the big 12 will get a couple more of those.

[00:40:46] Ten into 93 squeeze on in kind of teams and I think Arizona Utah Kansas State no cool and the state are all going to be in that range.

[00:40:58] All right Jordan, you got I got Utah winning it. I think if Camry is in comes back feeling good I think they're they have the best all around team. They they've show they can win in shootouts they can win in the trenches.

[00:41:14] They still somehow got eight wins last year with a quarterback they could barely walk forward. So I just got Utah I think they like like that's a better best all around team now this is the that cool question with will they get more than one team in.

[00:41:31] I think no team the big 12's going to be on the feet of the Sierra I think they all have. Arizona plays Utah and Kansas State they just have tough schedules tough teams the big 12 every team is tough even if there's a bottom half a top half.

[00:41:49] They play tough I just don't think any teams can be on the feet in the big 12 I think we're they're going to have a big 12 champion that has one maybe two losses this year just just the sheer fact of. The conference is huge but.

[00:42:04] I just don't know if they'll be able to squeeze more maybe two in the champion and one more I just think that there's going to be so many other teams. The big 10 and the SEC.

[00:42:17] They're going to favor the big the group of power five or power four schools but the big 12 is still the bottom they at that bottom big the power four school or conference.

[00:42:32] So I think it's going to be tough they could maybe squeeze out depending on who it is I don't know if they'll go home estate will squeeze in just because.

[00:42:42] The seasons they've had they haven't been out stand and that's the thing they say they don't look at previous stuff but I definitely see that it's just going to be too tough they might get to in but I could easily see them just getting their champion.

[00:42:58] All right, yeah for me I think your point I like Utah as well it all comes down to how healthy camera is and is if he's healthy they win if not.

[00:43:08] I can see never eight and four nine and three type seasons for Utah if they if for that happens I have Kansas State is the backup second best team and I think a majority mentioned them earlier I think he he was done them making high school and I think he you know can you grow and get developed there in the system.

[00:43:23] And I think the had has a really good chance to do some good things offensively with that team so I can see that as far as like playoffs I could see it if like say it's Utah on Kansas State if they were to split and they both go 11 and one I can see it that way.

[00:43:37] I don't know how many teams will go undefeated this year obviously like SEC big 10 big 12 all got new teams in that's going to be tougher leagues for for most teams outside the ACC so I feel like there's going to there's not going to be they might not be undefeated team outside the independence this year so you know I don't I don't know like they might not hurt them so they might really get to two teams but I'll stick with one for now because I think they'll have bias sort of SEC and big 10 to get more of those teams in one team for the big 12 one team for ACC.

[00:44:07] And then maybe like another game and it may be like a Boise state something like that so that's where I can see it falling so. So yeah, it's our it's our big 12 preview again we'll be going through these conferences over the next couple weeks leading up to our.

[00:44:22] Our eventual preview of who are call the football playoff predictions will be on also you know we'll get closer to a preview week zero week one dive deeper into the games that you guys want to talk about in the meantime.

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